HomeMy WebLinkAboutHealth & Human Services 03-12-08 NOTICE OF MEETING AND AGENDA
ST. CROIX COUNTY HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES BOARD
March 12, 2008 at 8:30
(Board Room, St. Croix'County DHHS Building, New Richmond WI)
CALL TO ORDER
ROLL CALL
REVIEW OF AGENDA
CONSENT AGENDA
APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING - 02/20/08
DATE OF NEXT MEETING — 03/19/08 at 8:30 a.m.
OLD AND NEW BUSINESS
1. Review of financial forecasts for the Nursing Home, which includes construction estimates to
refurbish and remodel the facility, along with consideration of specialized units for residents
that are difficult to place.
ADJOURN
(Items may be taken in different order)
** Additions /Changes /Corrections
Items for County Board approval must be submitted to the County Clerk's office
by Wednesday morning preceding a County Board meeting.
2/27/2008 9:35 AM
ST. CROIX COUNTY HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES BOARD
March 12, 2008
The St. Croix County Health and Human Services Board met on March 12, 2008 at
the St. Croix County Health and Human Services /Health Center complex.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Esther Wentz, Chair
Gordon Awsumb
Leon Berenschot
Lois Burri
Tom Caflisch
Dr. Glenn Hoberg
Linda Luckey
Ron Troyer
MEMBERS ABSENT: Deb Rasmussen, excused
STAFF PRESENT: Fred Johnson, Health and Human Services Director
Jennifer Pempek, Financial Manager
Harold Morris, Contracted Nursing Home Administrator
Ron Kiesler, Behavioral Health Coordinator
Malva Sirek, Secretary
OTHERS PRESENT: Chuck Whiting, Administrative Coordinator
Tammy Funk, Human Resource Administrator
Larry Lester, Wipfli (via telephone)
Fred Horne
Dave Osness
Dean Winquist
Loyla Waskul
Eloris Rivard
Thor Backus
Norm Matzek
Gail Winship, New Richmond News
Chair Wentz called the meeting to order at 8:30 AM noting the meeting was
properly and legally publicized.
NEXT MEETING The next Health and Human Services Board meeting is scheduled
for Wednesday, March 19, 2008 at 8:30 AM. Berenschot will review vouchers.
AGENDA Motion A motion was introduced by Troyer, seconded by Berenschot,
and unanimously adopted: That the agenda be approved as circulated.
REVIEW OF FINANCIAL FORECASTS FOR THE NURSING HOME, WHICH INCLUDES CONSTRUCTION
ESTIMATES TO REFURBISH AND REMODEL THE FACILITY, ALONG WITH CONSIDERATION OF
SPECIALIZED UNITS FOR RESIDENTS THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO PLACE Johnson
distributed a report created by Lester showing fringe benefits as a percent to
salaries for nine nursing homes in the County, including St. Croix Health
Center. He said health insurance is the largest cost category for fringes. He
said the report does not include paid time off. Lester also pointed out that
pension adds to the percent and the County has no control over pension as the
state requires the county to participate. St. Croix Health Center has the
highest total of fringe benefits in the County.
Johnson would like the Board to review the financials, discuss resident mix and
planning alternatives and make a recommendation on the Nursing Home that would
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give staff a definitive direction.
Johnson listed the possible options to remodel or build a new nursing home.
The first scenario is for a 50 -bed Nursing Home utilizing both floors of the
Nursing Home. The second scenario is for a 50 -bed Nursing Home on first floor
and 20 -bed CBRF (assisted living) on second floor. The third scenario is for a
44 -bed Nursing Home on first floor and 20 -bed CBRF on second floor. Awsumb
questioned the most viable business /economic model for the Nursing Home. Lester
recommended a market study on the patient needs to determine if there is a
population that fits the model for the Nursing Home and when to get into the
business. Lester questioned if the County decides to be a county nursing home
to care for the general population, why be in the business?
Johnson spoke with Sinikka Santala from the state regarding the current nursing
home license. It is not possible to admit emergency detention clients under a
short term admission under the current nursing home license. Trempealeau can do
these types of admissions given their status as an IMD (institution for mental
disease).
Johnson and Morris visited with Phil Borreson, Trempealeau County Health Care
Administrator. Trempealeau County serves between 40 -50 counties in the State
and has a waiting list for services. This program serves adult clients that
have a serious, persistent mental illness and need a structured setting to
receive treatment prior to reintegration back into the community. They also
provide services to the developmentally disabled clients who need institutional
care. This is a difficult population to serve that geriatric nursing homes
generally will not take. Trempealeau develops their budget and then determines
what to charge other counties for taking clients from counties other than
Trempealeau. The facility is full and has a waiting list. LaCrosse County is
operating a similar service under a nursing home license and also has a waiting
list.
At a recent meeting of county nursing home administrators Lester attended,
approximately 87% of the administrators indicated support of the need for
behavioral health services for client placement. He reported need for the
service is not the issue, the issue is how to structure to make it work for the
County and to meet the needs of St. Croix County residents. Staffing levels
and equipment needed to serve this population would have to be determined.
Training costs would be involved to provide this service in addition to a
remodel of the facility to secure the building. This service may be supported
by other nursing homes in the area due to caring for the hard -to -care for
behavioral problem residents. Morris warned facilities caring for behavioral
problem residents may suffer more citations during surveys. Morris also warned
there may be higher workman compensation claims with a behavior unit. Morris
indicated it may be possible to section off the floors, putting behavioral
health clients on one floor and the nursing home Medicaid /Medicare residents on
the other floor. The Board expressed concern with this scenario driving out
the current residents.
Lester suggested a next step may be to survey the other four counties in the
consortium (Chippewa, Dunn, Pierce, Eau Claire) to see if they would support a
behavior health unit in St. Croix County. Lester said if St. Croix County
continues to provide the same care as other facilities, it will be hard to
justify the higher wages /fringe benefits paid than if care is provided for the
hard to care for resident.
A meeting was held with Community Health Partners (CHP) to address potential
needs for nursing home care in the consortium. Other special units discussed
include a bariatric unit, transitional care unit, dementia unit, younger
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physical disabled group, developmental disabled respite, tracheotomy unit,
along with a behavioral unit. These units would not be specific to St. Croix
County residents only, but would provide regional coverage. There are no
providers north of this region that provide specialized care and no care
management organization north of St. Croix County, so there may be other
counties interested in utilization of specialty care units if developed. CHP is
willing to partner with the County to develop this resource and would be
willing to discuss reimbursement rates that are higher than Medicaid currently
pays. However, enrollees do have the choice to dis- enroll from the managed care
organization and be eligible for card services, which would then decrease the
reimbursement to the Medicaid reimbursement rate.
Lester said the community based residential care facility (CBRF) needs
increased 300% when LaCrosse and Portage counties implemented family care.
CBRF services are funded under family care but are not covered under Medicaid,
so clients would end up in a nursing home. CBRF placement is less costly than
nursing home placement. CBRF placement needs are very similar to the placement
needs as listed earlier.
Kiesler reported there may be three to four St. Croix County residents in
Trempealeau County Health Care Center at any given time. He said typically
when clients are admitted to an IMD, they lose their Medical Assistance. He
indicated there are less community resources in St. Croix County so there has
been a trend towards more St. Croix County residents being admitted to
Trempealeau.
Kiesler also reported there is a state moratorium in Minnesota on new hospital
beds; however, there has been a movement, especially on the part of Prairie St.
John's, to increase the number of acute psychiatric hospitalization beds in the
Twin Cities area. If this is successful, work will be done to also get the
additional beds certified for Wisconsin Medical Assistance.
Johnson outlined the paths followed for nursing home options in the last year.
He said a RFP was issued to sell, lease or partner for the operation of the
nursing home. That proposal fell through with Christian Community Homes.
Presbyterian Homes is now out of the picture due to purchasing New Richmond
Meadows; however, Health Dimensions is still willing to discuss options.
Information was given to the County on cost estimates to build a new 50 and 72
bed nursing home, along with a new 20 be CBRF. At the January meeting, the
County Board directed the Health and Human Services Board to bring back
information regarding a remodeling project of the existing building to create a
50 -bed unit on first floor. Johnson said contractors and architects have
walked through the building and felt the building was in good repair but may
need some upgrades to meet codes. The estimated cost to remodel the nursing
home is approximately $1 to $2 million.
Johnson reported Ayres and Associates completed a space needs study in December
of 2007. He said the Health and Human Services building is not being utilized
for the intended purposes of the building and there are building security
issues. The study reported estimated costs of $10 to $13 million to build a
new building for Health and Human Services (HHS) and estimated costs of $7 to
$10 million to build a new building for the nursing home dependent upon the
size of 50 or 72 beds. Johnson said if you combine the needs of HHS and Nursing
Home and if the County is going to remain in the nursing home business,
consideration should be given to building a new nursing home and remodel the
current nursing home to meet HHS needs. The cost of building a new HHS
structure could then be eliminated and while we do not have estimates for this
type of remodel, it could be assumed to be much less, similar to the nursing
home remodeling estimates. If the nursing home is remodeled, it may only meet
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the County's needs for five to ten years. If a new nursing home is built, the
costs are reimbursable through Medicaid reimbursement. Additionally, if the
new nursing home is reduced to 50 beds, the facility would be eligible for
enhanced reimbursements.
The Board recessed from 9:30 to 9:40.
Luckey questioned if the nursing home could be reduced to 50 beds in the
current building with remodeling. it is possible to do this; however, the
nursing home would not have the single rooms and it would not accomplish what
needs to be done.
Johnson outlined costs associated with building options. Awsumb said the tax
levy for each option should be included as this will be a permanent tax subsidy
also. Awsumb listed four points for consideration.
1. The County should not continue to operate the Nursing Home under the
current business model which competes with the private sector for a market
that the private sector serves efficiently.
2. The County should not build a new nursing home or assisted living facility
which would be owned and operated by the County because: a) the County
wage structure differential with private sector can only be supported by a
tax levy subsidy, and b) the entire care model for the elderly is changing
such that traditional nursing home demand may decrease substantially and,
therefore, the long term capital investment is not warranted.
3. The County should not hire as an employee a nursing home manager or head
nurse. The County should continue as long as it is operated as a nursing
home facility to contract with outside managers in order to stay on top of
industry changes and manage costs effectively.
4. The County should study the alternative possible models to renovate the
nursing home for either a 44 to 50 unit facility or a special care
facility to determine if they can be competitive, if the County employee
union will make concessions to bring benefit levels for newly hired
employees within the 27% benefit percentile average.
Wentz said the County's mission is to care for the vulnerable, elderly and
those that cannot care for themselves. Caflisch said the County cannot continue
to pay the benefits to employees at the rate they are currently being paid and
the County needs to do what is right for the residents, not the employees.
Wentz argued that the focus cannot only be on nursing home employees but need
to look at all employees in the County. Caflisch countered the nursing home is
in competition with private industry nursing homes and the County should not
subsidize the nursing home business. Awsumb clarified his recommendations do
not affect the current employees, only the new hires, and would change going
forward from here to help make the nursing home competitive for the long term.
It was the consensus of the Board that the nursing home cannot keep going as it
has been going. The nursing home industry is changing and it is not clear how
managed care will affect the nursing home business. Awsumb said the nursing
home can be renovated at less cost, which will serve the nursing home needs for
the next three to five years. Awsumb is not in favor of building a new
facility. Caflisch said the nursing home is losing money with no debt and will
lose even more if a new building is built. Wentz said HHS would be able to
utilize the nursing home building if a new nursing home is built. Awsumb said a
new nursing home is not viable for the long term and asked for a commitment
from the union to keep the nursing home competitive with private sector
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business. Awsumb said most state /federal agencies lease space as building is
not always a viable option and this may be the way to meet HHS needs.
It was reported property taxes increased 10% this year and there was
approximately 30% decline in home values plus little growth and increased
foreclosures. Funds will be reduced due to market decline and there will be no
new revenue due to no new building. Whiting reported there may be a new health
insurance structure available that would save the County up to 10 %. He also
reported there is a state law on participating in the Wisconsin retirement plan
that the County cannot opt out; however, the County is only required to
contribute half of the required contributions but most counties in Wisconsin
make the total contribution. Whiting said the union will probably ask for a
guarantee that the County is not getting out of the nursing home business in
exchange for any type of concession.
Johnson reported the nursing home is financially more viable now as the
operational assessment has been implemented. Outside management assisted in
this implementing the operational assessment; however, the County levy has not
been eliminated. He does not want to hire a permanent County employee until
after a definitive course on the future operation of the nursing home is set.
Awsumb said the nursing home needs to be competitive and feels that we are more
on top of issues and industry changes with outside management. Johnson
indicated outside consultants could be utilized to conduct on site reviews to
assure that we are up to date with industry standards.
Motion A motion was introduced by Caflisch, seconded by Awsumb, that the
Health and Human Services Board approves forwarding the following four
recommendations to the County Board for approval:
1. The County should not continue to operate the Nursing Home under the
current business model which competes with the private sector for a market
that the private sector serves efficiently.
2. The County should not build a new nursing home or assisted living facility
which would be owned and operated by the County because: a) the County
wage structure differential with private sector can only be supported by a
tax levy subsidy, and b) the entire care model for the elderly is changing
such that traditional nursing home demand may decrease substantially and,
therefore, the long term capital investment is not warranted.
3. The County should not hire as an employee a nursing home manager or head
nurse. The County should continue as long as it is operated as a nursing
home facility to contract with outside managers in order to stay on top of
industry changes and manage costs effectively.
4. The County should study the alternative possible models to renovate the
nursing home for either a 44 to 50 unit facility or a special care
facility, if the County employee union will make concessions to bring
benefit levels for newly hired employees within the 27% benefit percentile
average.
Matzek commented the nursing home doesn't truly compete with the private
sector nursing homes. He mentioned Eau Claire County is having trouble
placing people in nursing homes. He said the private sector doesn't always
want or will not care for residents. Caflisch said the St. Croix Health
Center has the same mix of patients as other nursing homes.
Awsumb said if the County operates the nursing home efficiently and
competitively, it can stay in business and provide more services.
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Roll call vote:
Esther Wentz - no
Gordon Awsumb - yes
Leon Berenschot - yes
Lois Burri - no
Tom Caflisch - yes
Dr. Glenn Hoberg - yes
Linda Luckey - yes
Deb Rasmussen - absent
Ronald Troyer - -yes
Six yes, two no, one absent motion passed.
Johnson said he is not certain the motion sets a definitive direction for the
future operation of the nursing home, but appears to continue operation of
the nursing home as status quo with some modifications. Whiting felt this is
a natural progression to get options narrowed down to a workable number. He
said the union contracts will go to the County Board on March 18, 2008. He
said the nursing home union has not made any concessions.
Burri left the meeting at 10:30 AM.
Caflisch said there are separate needs for the Nursing Home and HHS and does
not want to tie HHS with the Nursing Home program. Awsumb said if the
facility is renovated it may meet the nursing home needs for five years and
at that time the market may be different than it is now.
Johnson will give the options to the County Board. Luckey requested that the
facility names be on the fringe benefit report when it is given to the County
Board. Also, the budget models will be given to the County Board as a
handout.
Wentz asked if there were any other issues to bring before the Board.
Motion: A motion was introduced by Troyer, seconded by Berenschot, and
unanimously adopted: That the meeting be adjourned.
Time: 10:40 AM
Chair:
Attest:
(Secretary)