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Home My WebLink About038-1012-20-000St. Croix County Planning and Zoning1o„dai%August06,2007ar11:23:46AM Detail Sanitary Information Page 1 of I Computer #: 038-1012-20-000 SublPlat: metes & bounds Section: 3 Parcel#: 03.31.18.33B Lot: 1 TN/RNG: T31NR18W Municipality: Star Prairie, Town of CSM: 1/4 114: Gov't Lot 1 Owner: Lentsch 2399 Cardinal Drive New Richmond, WI 54017 State Permit: Issued: 01/01/1988 POWTS Dispersal: Non -Pressurized In -ground Permit: New County Permit: 0 Installed: 01/01/1988 POWTS Detail: NA Bedrooms: 0 WI Fund: POWTS Pretreatment: NA Iv otes Issuer/Inspector As Built Plumber Not determined NA Unknown Not determined Stu:ntdl i;iff: No fs<ainienince Scheduled Pump Date Pumped 1st Notification 1 / 1 /1991 04/20/2006 3/ 1 /2006 04/20/2006 Other Requirements Additional Notes Money Owed This parcel was sold to Lentsch by Madsen in $0.00 1988 - no records in notecards of system installed for either of these parties, but purchased in 2000 by current owners. Adjacent lot had permit in 1989. see 9/6/00 letter to real estate agent regarding a septic inspection completed by Gary Steele to confirm system is not failing, but does not comply with all code setbacks. 2nd Notification 3rd Notification Alex Blackburn From: Mark Anderson < MarkA@craneengineering.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 9:16 AM To: Alex Blackburn Subject: RE: Cedar Lake house Thank you for the consideration. I was hoping not to have to spend a lot of money for plans that would never be used. I have a friend who does some drafting and can give me some pointers. Financially a new septic system is a non -starter, I'm afraid, so the issue of the bedroom is a key factor. I will take some measurements and put a plan together for your review. It should take me a couple of weeks. Regards: Mark Anderson Sent from my Vedzon Wireless 4G I:TE Smanphone -------- Original message -------- From: Alex Blackburn Date:09/15/2015 9:45 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Mark Anderson Subject: RE: Cedar Lake house Mark, It may work best to give us a general concept sketch showing the current floor layout and the proposed floor layout. We will review that and determine if it adds a bedroom or not. Then we can go from there. Feel free to call or e-mail with any additional questions. Alex Blackburn St. Croix County Land Use and Conservation Specialist 715-386-4684 From: Mark Anderson[mailto:MarkA@craneengineering.com] Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:24 AM To: Alex Blackburn <Alex.Blackburn@co.saint-croix.wi.us> Subject: RE: Cedar Lake house Mr. Blackburn; Thank you for your response. I was going to contact Kevin a second time regarding the question but you have obviously stepped in and done your homework. I'm impressed. 1 The septic system is a real issue because of the cost of replacing it. I anticipated the problem. Our remodeling proposal does not add a bedroom, it just replaces one. The "bedroom" that is there now was actually carved out of the living room and laundry room and was only intended to be temporary. It has been that way for 40 years. My intent was to replace it with a real bedroom (and return the space to the living room and laundry area), but not to add a second bedroom. I have invested (Chris Marshall, Apostle Septic Systems of Houlton) in extensive reconditioning of the septic system. I've had roots removed, pipes and flappers replaced, and the tanks pumped (regularly). I'm aware of the "grandfather" nature of the system, but I have responsibly kept it in excellent condition. Would I be correct in assuming that — since I'm not adding a bedroom — that the septic could be left alone? Regarding the high water mark; I had surveyor Jim Rush survey the property and respond to a FEMA classification concerning flood zones. I received an exemption from FEMA last year. The property is on one of the steeper approaches to the Cedar Lake shore. Our addition would be on the back of the house (facing away from the lake) where the elevation is 12' = 15' feet above the lake level at its highest. I hope you could use Mr. Rush's data to that purpose. I haven't measured the distance to the shore, but I'm almost certain that a few feet of the 20' addition would be within the 35 — 75' zone of the lakeshore (certainly not within 35'). That was the reason for my original question. As the proposed addition would be inside the present foundation -face to the Lakeshore, I was hoping it could be allowed. I do not have professionally drawn plans at this time. What level of plans do you require? Do I have to retain an ASA architect, or is a licensed builder good enough? We would appreciate your response to the above. Our budget certainly does not allow for a new septic system. If that would be mandatory, I'm afraid we'll have to live with what we have. Regards; Mark Anderson Mark L. Anderson Crane Engineering 2355 Polaris Lane North Plymouth, MN 55447 marka(@craneengineering.com 763-557-9090 (T) 612-859-1520 (C) From: Alex Blackburn [ma ilto:Alex. Blackburn Catco saint-croix wi us] Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 8:59 AM To: Mark Anderson Subject: Cedar Lake house Mark, You asked about a building permit for a house on Cedar Lake at 2399 Cardinal Drive. The addition of a bedroom would require the sanitary system to be upgraded, since the Wisconsin plumbing code sizes the sanitary system by the number 2 of bedrooms. Our sanitary system records on this property contain an inspection report and it appears the sanitary system is from the 1960s or 1970s. A sanitary system of this age would most likely need to be completely replaced. As far as remodeling the cabin, we would need scaled and detailed site plans with lot lines, the ordinary high water mark (OHWM), the location of the cabin, the well, sanitary system and any other structures on the site. We will then look at your proposed plans and let you know how to proceed. If you look at our Shoreland Ordinance on our website it outlines all the requirements. Some of the major restrictions are from 0-35 feet from the OHWM does not allow any construction, 35 to 75 feet from the OHWM is extremely limited and then beyond the 75 foot is much easier. Alex Blackburn St. Croix County Land Use and Conservation Specialist 715-386-4684 It . 0 - Alex Blackburn From: Alex Blackburn Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 8:47 AM To: 'Mark Anderson' Subject: RE: Cedar Lake house Mark, It may work best to give us a general concept sketch showing the current floor layout and the proposed floor layout. We will review that and determine if it adds a bedroom or not. Then we can go from there. Feel free to call or e-mail with any additional questions. Alex Blackburn St. Croix County Land Use and Conservation Specialist 715-386-4684 From: Mark Anderson[mailto:MarkA@craneengineering.com] Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:24 AM To: Alex Blackburn <Alex.Blackburn@co.saint-croix.wi.us> Subject: RE: Cedar Lake house Mr. Blackburn; Thank you for your response. I was going to contact Kevin a second time regarding the question but you have obviously stepped in and done your homework. I'm impressed. The septic system is a real issue because of the cost of replacing it. I anticipated the problem. Our remodeling proposal does not add a bedroom, it just replaces one. The "bedroom" that is there now was actually carved out of the living room and laundry room and was only intended to be temporary. It has been that way for 40 years. My intent was to replace it with a real bedroom (and return the space to the living room and laundry area), but not to add a second bedroom. have invested (Chris Marshall, Apostle Septic Systems of Houlton) in extensive reconditioning of the septic system. I've had roots removed, pipes and flappers replaced, and the tanks pumped (regularly). I'm aware of the "grandfather" nature of the system, but I have responsibly kept it in excellent condition. Would I be correct in assuming that — since I'm not adding a bedroom — that the septic could be left alone? Regarding the high water mark; I had surveyor Jim Rush survey the property and respond to a FEMA classification concerning flood zones. I received an exemption from FEMA last year. The property is on one of the steeper approaches to the Cedar Lake shore. Our addition would be on the back of the house (facing away from the lake) where the elevation is 12' =15' feet above the lake level at its highest. I hope you could use Mr. Rush's data to that purpose. I haven't measured the distance to the shore, but I'm almost certain that a few feet of the 20' addition would be within the 35 — 75' zone of the Lakeshore (certainly not within 35'). That was the reason for my original question. As the proposed addition would be inside the present foundation -face to the Lakeshore, I was hoping it could be allowed. I do not have professionally drawn plans at this time. What level of plans do you require? Do I have to retain an ASA architect, or is a licensed builder good enough? We would appreciate your response to the above. Our budget certainly does not allow for a new septic system. If that would be mandatory, I'm afraid we'll have to live with what we have. Regards; Mark Anderson Mark L. Anderson Crane Engineering 2355 Polaris Lane North Plymouth, MN 55447 marka@craneengineering.com 763-557-9090 (T) 612-859-1520 (C) From: Alex Blackburn [maiIto: Alex. Blackburn Oco saint-croix wi us] Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 8:59 AM To: Mark Anderson Subject: Cedar Lake house Mark, You asked about a building permit for a house on Cedar Lake at 2399 Cardinal Drive. The addition of a bedroom would require the sanitary system to be upgraded, since the Wisconsin plumbing code sizes the sanitary system by the number of bedrooms. Our sanitary system records on this property contain an inspection report and it appears the sanitary system is from the 1960s or 1970s. A sanitary system of this age would most likely need to be completely replaced. As far as remodeling the cabin, we would need scaled and detailed site plans with lot lines, the ordinary high water mark (OHWM), the location of the cabin, the well, sanitary system and any other structures on the site. We will then look at your proposed plans and let you know how to proceed. If you look at our Shoreland Ordinance on our website it outlines all the requirements. Some of the major restrictions are from 0-35 feet from the OHWM does not allow any construction, 35 to 75 feet from the OHWM is extremely limited and then beyond the 75 foot is much easier. Alex Blackburn St. Croix County Land Use and Conservation Specialist 715-386-4684 Alex Blackburn From: Alex Blackburn Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 8:59 AM To: 'marka@craneengineering.com' Subject: Cedar Lake house Mark, You asked about a building permit for a house on Cedar Lake at 2399 Cardinal Drive. The addition of a bedroom would require the sanitary system to be upgraded, since the Wisconsin plumbing code sizes the sanitary system by the number of bedrooms. Our sanitary system records on this property contain an inspection report and it appears the sanitary system is from the 1960s or 1970s. A sanitary system of this age would most likely need to be completely replaced. As far as remodeling the cabin, we would need scaled and detailed site plans with lot lines, the ordinary high water mark (OHWM), the location of the cabin, the well, sanitary system and any other structures on the site. We will then look at your proposed plans and let you know how to proceed. If you look at our Shoreland Ordinance on our website it outlines all the requirements. Some of the major restrictions are from 0-35 feet from the OHWM does not allow any construction, 35 to 75 feet from the OHWM is extremely limited and then beyond the 75 foot is much easier. Alex Blackburn St. Croix County Land Use and Conservation Specialist 715-386-4684 1 Alex Blackburn From: Kevin Grabau Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 4:51 PM To: Craig Dantoin; Alex Blackburn; Sarah Droher; Ryan Yarrington; Tamara Wittmer; Steve Olson Subject: FW: Building Permit? This just came in a few minutes ago. Maybe a good one for TRC tomorrow. O Kevin Gra6au From: Mark Anderson [ma iIto: MarkACabcraneen ineering com] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 4:42 PM To: Kevin Grabau Subject: Building Permit? Mr. Grabau; 03.31.I';'. �3!--:� We nown a home (4 season) on Cedar Lake near Star Prairie. It was originally constructed beginning in about 1964 and was completed about 1968. As such, it was built closer to the shoreline than would be allowed under present regulation (Front face closer than 75' from the permanent shoreline). Its present main floor space is a very modest -800 sq. ft. We would like to consider an addition of -400 square feet, possibly two levels, to the back / rear of the house. As such, it would not increase the linear dimension of the house as it faces the lake, but instead would add to the "back" of the house as it faces away from the lakeshore. The addition would certainly require a building permit, but would not involve a change or addition to plumbing or septic service. (It would be essentially the addition of a bedroom and TV room). We have two questions. First, is a permit usually granted so long as the area foundation facing the lake is not increased and there is no increase in the scope of septic service, (no added bathroom, kitchen, etc.)? Second, what is the process for obtaining a permit and who at the County should we contact (if it is not in your department)? Thank you for any information you can provide. Regards; Mark Anderson Mark L. Anderson Crane Engineering 2355 Polaris Lane North Plymouth, MN 55447 marka@craneenF!ineerine.com 763-557-9090 (T) 612-859-1520 (C) ST. CROIX COUNTY WISCONSIN ZONING OFFICE N M N N g M■ ■��i ST. CROIX COUNTY GOVERNMENT CENTER 1101 Carmichael Road Hudson, WI 54016-7710 (715) 386-4680 Fax (715) 386-4686 September 26, 2000 To Whom It May Concern: This letter is written at request of the potential buyers of a property located at 2399 C2E&al Dr., New Richmond, WI, 54017. It is my understanding that there are some concerns about the current septic system. I was contacted by real estate agent Shelly Michaelis. She had indicated that there may be some setbacks that do not comply with the current septic code. Gary Steele inspected the site on 9-13-00 and determined that some components of the existing septic system may not meet current code setbacks from the well. The existing system is thought to have been installed around the late 1960's to early 1970's. St Croix County Zoning office does not have any records of this septic system. St. Croix County Zoning staff did not do an on -site inspection on this property. Gary Steele's report indicated that the system is not failing at this time, and a water test was taken and found to be "safe" for coliform bacteria. Since this system has been determined to not be "failing" by current code standards, St. Croix County Zoning will not require any modification of the existing septic system. But it must be understood that if any repair or replacement of components of the system are required, or the system is determined to be failing in any manner, then the existing system may be required to be modified to meet current code standards or may be required to be abandoned and a new code compliant system may be required. If there are any questions, please feel free to contact me at the St. Croix County Zoning office at 386-4680. Sincerely, Kevin S. Grabau Zoning Technician OR- fold -;ka aoo 3,�1 • Ig3�� A-tip�4QiAl r"d t FAX ST. CROIX COUNTY ZONING OFFICE 1101 Carmichael Road Hudson, WI 54016 (715) 386-4680 DATE: 2fo — TO: Fax Number. S I) 36-1 Name: 'St{EL-L.Y M t C_ tk r4c--- L-t S FROM: Fax Number. 386-4686 Name: �U ti fiZf� �3U Number of Pages Including Cover Sheet: IF COMPLETE AND LEGIBLE INFORMATION IS NOT RECEIVED, PLEASE CONTACT: NAME: TELEPHONE NUMBER: ](S• -SK6 . q8D „�4- '� ftv-::u. 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