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Home My WebLink About008-1094-30-000 (3)00�_ IoQq- 30 - 006 commerceml.gov i isconsin Department of Commerce SAFETY AND BUILDINGS DIVISION Integrated Services Bureau 13 East Spruce Street Chippew,&Fall&_V_Visconsin 54724— (715)726-2544 http://www.commerce.wt.govlsb htiOYAvwwwwons(n. gov Jim Doyle, Governor Mary P. Burke, Secretary October 1, 2007 Dana Peterson RECEIVED N8754 450th St O C T 0 27 "7 Baldwin, WI 54002 ST. CR01X C06NT, Dear Ms. Peterson: Re: Private Onsite Wastewater Treatment System (POWTS) Evaluations For Property located at 33 - 230th St., Baldwin, WI 54002 I have reviewed your request for a determination regarding three items of concern related to recent evaluations of an existing onsite system serving the above referenced property. Question number one is whether or not the collapsed distribution line will affect the system°s ability to function as originally designed. The simple answer is yes. The original design incorporated a pipe that was intact and not collapsed. The second question relates to whether it is appropriate for a licensed plumber to pass a system knowing that a pipe is collapsed when the code in effect at the time required the pipe to run the length of the drain field. The most direct answer is no. All defects should be mentioned. However, in evaluating performance, it depends on what the plumber said about the operation of the system considering the defect. It is possible for a system as described to function (treat and disperse wastewater) with a collapsed distribution pipe. It just depends on where the collapse occurs. For example, if the pipe was 100 feet long and it collapsed 10 feet from the distal end, then there would be little or no impact on performance. Also keep in mind that the collapsed section might be able to be repaired and put back into service. A county permit would be necessary to do this type of repair work as long as it is not too extensive. In answer to your third question regarding the lack of records and proof that a licensed plumber installed the system, is it acceptable or appropriate to approve such a system for continued :.Ise? The answer is yes. It is my opinion that the system was most likely permitted but the records of all residential systems were discarded by Harold Barber, a former Zoning Administrator. This should not have happened but it did. In addition, our current code, under Comm 82.03(2)(b)1, Wis. Adm. Code, states that an existing POWTS installed prior to July 1, 2000, shall conform to the siting, design, construction, and maintenance rules in effect at the time the sanitary permit was obtained or at the time of installation, if no permit was issued. So if we know the home was constructed in 1975 the system would have to meet the rules in effect at that time as long as it is not failing as currently defined in s. 145.245(4), Wis. Stats. If you have any other questions please feel free to contact me Sinc rely, Leroy . Jansky, Profestaibnal Soil Scientist POWTS Wastewater Specialist (715) 726-2544 Office (715) 726-2549 Fax leroy.jansky@wisconsin.gov CC: Keith Knudtson Shaun Bird St. Croix Co Zoning Harold Stanlick �.Of - /0�'Y- 3�0- � ac2 /l/c ,Il V se_- 3$ Knudtson Plumbing & Contracting LLC 927- 15e Street, Roberts, Wi. 54025 651-470-1737 Fax 715-796-7023 Well and Powts Inspection Baer's Dana & Tracy Perterson N8754 450t' St. Baldwin Wi. — Property Address 33 2301h St Baldwin Wi. 54002 Well cap is level with ground, surface wafer could run in well and contaminate drinking water- DNR states -well casing must extend 12''' above finished grade. Pressure tank is defective. Dishwasher in kitchen has a leak so no water test can be done at this time. Septic tank has deterioration on the lid around the manhole cover .Tank is past life expectancy. Drainfield shows signs of excess water and evidence of biomat formation no effluent found at this time because of drought conditions and because the house has be vacant for prolong period of time. I ran a camera in vent pipe and in to dcainfield distribution line at 14' on north east line it is collapsed. There was rock inside pipe. Conclusion; System was probably installed in 1975 when house was built it has more than reached its life expectancy of 20 years. St Croix County has no record of any sewer or inspection of a sewer on this property .No part of this system meets current Wisconsin code.--Dana&Tracy Peterson and Jim Merth were present when inspection was done. Keith Knudtson License # 64W3 MPRS <;VP Lv Vr V,7,01P nnuu;son riumDing fU1 p.l od;� eu yr �+�1 �N rri icy reaYe+y r �wvaJc�� u _. SePtics tanks do n of have a life a twwy_ The tank style does not have at collar for the manhole ooverto rest on. Elafftes orl this tank we made of fiberglass and possibly were replaced atsame point. The Drain fiekf arrd dr►+vell were Qmt lete*dry atthed me of testing. BiomM if left alatte, wfil in time break Clown and regiwnate the syslern with rest. This is titre ease In this side_ ThS ooitapsed pipe in the drain felts of no con em, because the drain lield rock Ls -what the waterv011 dralnitttough and pipe is not needed over tar, Observe the water level, hence the vent pipe of ttte end of the system. tt the water makes it tnthe drain !ield, itw4l flow U raLVhMt the rt>dc and not need W go through tine pipe. Furd her more, I did a boring next to tha aid st+stwm, and fMAI d ttlg syatern to be instated in the prcxpersoils. This system meets; oil starsdards set forth by the Department of Cornrnsrce. The standards are the ones set €orih In 1976, riot 2DC7. Shaun 9trd, MPRS C14d dvs-rc x Zl cysc vop. i..v v i v.+..rm}' • �: �uv,uv� I ��I � �vll Iy VO�J LV V V.i r�J f'{r �;r � GQYOJ f I ill -Sll f VGJ FJ.J r IJc;ut�Gro,r, N.I To: Dana Peterson 612/238-5088 Keith Knudtson 796-7023 From_ Amy Peavey Keller Williamrs Realty Integrity WL%N 2424 Monetary- Blvd Suite 4201 Nndsan, NVI 54016 Mobile: 6511334-1034 Fax: 715/658-2780 amX65 arn)Teavev.cam wwwzm ve ,corn Date: W20/07 Pages (including cover). 3 Copy of the inspection for 33 230u' Street. Oep cu ur vZ1.O,-_p nnuarsor riumoang �7t'iJ CV yr IV„4,v "'ey c:arvr 1 �) (96 (OL3 p.2 Septic System and Well Inspection Report Bird Plun*iing Inc 1008 192nd Ave New Richmond W1 54017 715-246-4515 I Shaun Md. certify that on _ r5�' !nspected the septic system (POWTS) Inspected the Well Obtained s drinking water sample Prop" O%'e'�ey'er Slie Address Asa rc8ulto! my inspection, I centfy&at In my Oprtion, the septic SW9rn was, on the fats of my inspection, in good working order and in In dOMPlianCe W11h the stands PPS Set fOrtn Gy"departmort Df C,amrnerce. Last date of m ''""`�� n Aau psi 5ysWm appears to be sized for Beadmoms In my o¢nlor. &19 w+" at 1hO dorms of mny k'wpectiam, is fro goad condition and complies vdth al VVDNR standards. Waiter sample sent to Northland Tec1hr"ogy in Amery W. to my opion, the tic system or weC is ncrtwork)tg or not In camp liance with the Deparmwra of Cormrnerce or WDNR Septic Sysatemrnak*ancs intormetion: Purttp tank a very 3 years, cfeen eff kientilftf orK e a year For 1urtherlr4ornwLfl t co, your local zoning office, Disclowe: This tell Is rot a guarantee of future pe fonmance but a pmf#eslona opin Ion. Wage can change I rom 4d*erentavwrner9. 'This tg not a wa-raray of "s syst IdiscLoorn a4 f<abft for any kcsz caassed by reliance ® n thi5o cerficatior+, Past problems with this system,(ir o need to be dtscbsedby ttre seller. Shaun Hard MPF11SICSTINA #226900 Date a Sep 25 07 08:24a Knudtson Plumbing September 21, 2007 TO: Amy Peavey FR: Keith Knudtson RE: Shaun Bird's Septic & Well Inspection Report Findings DearAmy: 7157967023 p.1 I take strong exception to Shaun Bird's statement "The collapsed pipe in the Drain Field is of no concern" Indeed, that finding alone is enough for the county to condemn this system. Shaun's justification that field laterals are not necessary flies in the face of 30 some }rears of code enforcement. It also demonstrates an alarming lack of code knowledge andJor the disregard of such. This system does NOT meet "All standards, be it 1975 or 2007." Shaun called the pipe at the end of the system a vent pipe. Not an observation pipe according to comm83.02 (58) which was code in 1975 says the vent cap keeps debris out and permits circulation of air within the system. The collapsed line will not allow air flow nor will there be equal or even distribution of the effluent. Since Shaun did a soil boring I would like to see the soil report on that boring. Understand, these standards/codes were designed to protect the public health as well as the consumer. On this issue. I will not compromise. Sincerely eith Knudtsort CC: Dana Peterson Kevin Grabau Leroy 3ansky Shaun Bird